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Thursday, August 30, 2012

Tube of the Month: The 836

Hi!

With last months tube of the month post I started a small series of articles about transmitting type tubes. Although I use a lot of TV damper tubes as rectifiers, there are also some 'real' rectifiers which I like. One of them the 866A which was already covered in an article last year. This months tube is a vacuum rectifier, the 836:




Like the 866A, the 836 is a single diode. Two of them are needed for a full wave rectifier or four oif them for a full wave bridge. It has the same pinout as the 866A, a UX4 base and a medium size cap.

The pinout can be seen on the left. Only two of the base pins are used for filament connections. The plate is brought out to the cap. The 836 is of the indirectly heated type. It has two cathodes which are internally connected to either side of the filament. Unless it is used at the very limits, a 836 has characteristics similar to the 866A. In many applications they can be interchanged. This is especially useful if you build a power supply with the 866A but want to test it with a vacuum rectifier first. Or you only use the mercury vapour tubes at special occasions, when you want to savor the blue glow. Since the 836 is indirectly heated, it has a fairly low voltage drop as can be seen in the plate characteristic curve:

 
 
A beautiful tube with a nice large ST (shoulder type) glass bottle which is the same size as a 300B:
 
 




With a size of over 16cm and a diameter of about 5.5cm a pair of these looks quite impressive on a power supply! Being a vaccum rectifier the 836 does not need any special precautions like 30sec warm up before plate voltage can be applied or even 30min warm up after they have been in transport. They are as straight forward to use as any other indirectly heated rectifier and provide a nice, slow ramp up of the high voltage output. There is also no restriction with regard to mounting position. While a mercury vapour tube shall always be operated vertically and base down, the 836 can be use din any position. This tube was manufactured by all major companies which produced transmitting tubes. Here is a selection of 4 different 836:




Here is a close up of the logo of an Electronic Enterprises Inc. tube:





The base of a Marshall Electronics 836:





Let's have a closer look at the construction of the tube. The next photo shows the plate structure:




Inside the two tubes in the plate structure are two separate cathode sleeves with the filament inside.


 
 
At the top end both filaments are connected by the thick metal wire on top of the ceramic support:
 
 
 

A 836 with the heater lit up:



A close up of the top:




As mentioned at the beginning of the post, this is the second article of a small series about transmitting type tubes. Over the next month I will cover more tubes from the 800 series, stay tuned!




Best regards

Thomas

8 comments:

  1. Learning a lot from your website, posts and lovely amp design. Please kepp posting!

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  2. Hi,

    great site.

    I am wanting to use an 836 and wondered where you get your Filament Transformers from? I have seen the page but can't see where you mention what Manufacturer they are.

    Cheers,
    James. (UK)

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  3. Hi James,

    all the parts I use can be bought from me. These transformers are custom made for me and are only available through myself. Drop me an email if you are interested: thomas -at- vinylsavor -dot- de

    Best regards

    Thomas

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  4. Hello i have an 866a x8, two fullbridges. But i have an baby and i worry not to domage This babies. I want to change 866a tubes for something better and thinking for 836, 1616 od 3b28 tubes. What recifiter will give me better od same Sound linka sn 866a tube?Very thanks for help!

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    2. Why don't you just try yourself. Nobody will be able to tell you what kind of sound you will perceive from your amp with different rectifiers. In my opinion if the rectifier changes sound significantly, your amp design is marginal

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  5. Hi i want to try but i can bought only one type. It cost much. I have found opinion that 3b28 Sound more transparent than 866a. And that 866a give dirty Power to Power suply. Give me an advice please.

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    1. As mentioned nobody can tell you this unless he has the exact same amplifier you have and even then it is subjective. Rectifiers do not have a sound which is consistent between different amplifiers. This is a myth

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